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mskimberli
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Posted: 6/30/2007 Post subject: New to this

Hello, I would like to start of by saying that (1.)I am NOT a writer and (2.)I don't have a romantic bone in my body. I am a Political Science major who was sucked into taking an Arts and Literature course by a friend of mine as an elective and I have been cursing her since. Now having said that, I will tell you that I to, am having the same issues that Bintarab described in her earlier post. Our professor gave us several topics to write a story about and how I ended up with gay male romance, I'll never know... I have a lab partner and she's just as lost as I am. We're really struggling with this. The story is supposed to be simple: two men meet, fall in love, form a relationship. It sounds simple, but how in the hell do I describe it? The male/male sex is mind boggling in the sense of trying to write about it and make it believeable. We can describe what it's like to be with a man sexually, but how would we describe it from a male perspective without sounding crazy? I would be the one who would have described an erection as being 'heavy'. A man's erection feels heavy to me, so I would have described it as such... I would consult a gay man, but I don't know any and neither does she (although I have my suspicions about her brother..but I'll put that in the parking lot for now). I am so confused that I am on the verge abandoning my lab partner, right before I abandon this assignment. Politics I know, Romance (gay or straight) I do not. Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

James Buchanan
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Posted: 6/30/2007 Post subject:

Write about two people who get romantic and fall in love. Make them human beings first. You don't have to write about the sex (unless you're in an erotica class). BTW everyone can have anal sex. If you're confused write from the bottoms POV. Just remember, most gay men live lives like everyone else. For all the over the top flamers you see in media, there's thousands of regular guys who get up, go to work, and come home. If you and your partner have IM, write it that way. Mychael and I have done a couple ramblings doing that (and got really hot and kinky). But you each take a character and choose a setting (the beach, a bar, jogging at the park). Take some time to decide who your character is and why he's there and then talk to each other. You can take that and then clean it up (it will need cleaning) and put in description and dialog tags and all that happy litterary horseshit. Good luck. Let us know how the project goes. _________________ ~James http://James-Buchanan.com My Publishers: http://www.phaze.com http://www.torquerepress.com http://www.mlrpress.com

James Buchanan
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Posted: 6/30/2007 Post subject:

And BTW Kudos to your professor. _________________ ~James http://James-Buchanan.com My Publishers: http://www.phaze.com http://www.torquerepress.com http://www.mlrpress.com

mskimberli
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Posted: 6/30/2007 Post subject: Thanks:-)

Okay...that makes sense. Especially the part about writing from the bottom's POV. Even that's going to be a bit of a challenge, but we'll give it a try. Keep in mind that i'm not a writer. You have to have to be creative and have imagination. I lack both, so this is going to be a little difficult. Okay, this is going to be a LOT difficult. Would it be okay if I submit what we write on this site and you and/or any of the other guys give your expert advice/opinions on it? Is that allowed on this site? I want to do well. I refuse to submit something that sucks. Thanks once again for your help. Would you believe that my professor is a straight male? He's very open minded.

James Buchanan
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Posted: 7/1/2007 Post subject:

Just remember some basic rules: Show don't tell. Don't use passive voice ("was" should not appear in every sentance). Don't give a fashion show the first pargraph... let the characters discription evolve over the lenght of the story. For a begining (or "non" writer -- and btw as a poly-sci major you write, just a differnt type of writing. Use that pursuasive debate technique in fiction. It works) I would stick to limite 3rd POV... pick one of the two characters and write it strictly from his point of view. First person is hard for begining fiction writers to do well. _________________ ~James http://James-Buchanan.com My Publishers: http://www.phaze.com http://www.torquerepress.com http://www.mlrpress.com

mskimberli
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Posted: 7/1/2007 Post subject:

James Buchanan wrote:

Just remember some basic rules:

Show don't tell.

Don't use passive voice ("was" should not appear in every sentance).

Don't give a fashion show the first pargraph... let the characters discription evolve over the lenght of the story.

For a begining (or "non" writer -- and btw as a poly-sci major you write, just a differnt type of writing. Use that pursuasive debate technique in fiction. It works) I would stick to limite 3rd POV... pick one of the two characters and write it strictly from his point of view. First person is hard for begining fiction writers to do well.

Okay, got it. Now, we've given a description of the second charachter already early on in the story b/c it tells the reader why the first character is attracted to him. It's on the first page, but it's not overly descriptive. Is that okay, or should we change that?

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James Buchanan
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Posted: 7/1/2007 Post subject:

Does it read like a shopping list? We need blue eyes, blond hair, a little bit of fur on the chest, bubble butt, rock hard abs and around 6'2". If so, mix it in a little. Without seeing it, I wouldn't know otherwise. If you want to PM it too me, I'll take a look. _________________ ~James http://James-Buchanan.com My Publishers: http://www.phaze.com http://www.torquerepress.com http://www.mlrpress.com

mskimberli
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Posted: 7/2/2007 Post subject: Condoms or Condom-less?

After reading the majority of the stories from the site, I've noticed that the characters are all condom-less. The characters in our story are using condoms. What would you guys suggest? We both decided to have our fellas wear them. Is that okay or should we just ditch them altogether? In one paragraph, my partner had written an entire sex sequence when I noticed she didn't include the use of a condom. We ended up re-writing the entire sequence to include the condom. It worked without it, but I don't know...should we have left it like it was? P.S. Why the hell do I have 'virgin' below my screen name and Mr. Buchanan has 'ready to blow' below his? Last edited by mskimberli on 7/3/2007; edited 1 time in total

WillYUM
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Posted: 7/2/2007 Post subject:

this is mostly a site for fantasy, condoms are to 'reality' for me. most people dont wanna be thinking about safe sex when they read one of these short stories. but in your case i think having a condom moment would be advisable. and virgin just means you dont have a lot of posts. _________________ "I love it when people give up chocolate for lent...OHHH just like being nailed to a cross...hey God, get over here we gotta open up the Pearly Gates, this bitch is going like 40 days without a Kit Kat Bar!"

mskimberli
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Posted: 7/5/2007 Post subject: @James or WillYUM: Wedding or Committment Ceremony???

Okay, we are now putting the finishing touches on this story. Professor O. extended the deadline for us to the 13th b/c of the research we had to do. I told him that I have rec'd quite a bit of helpful advise/input from you and WillYUM. We made the mistake of writing the ending first b/c we knew that we wanted to end it with the two of them getting married. We are having a major problem trying to tie it into the rest of the story without it reading like a lost episode of the Twilight Zone. And the minor problem is this: do we call it a wedding or a committment ceremony? I want to call it a wedding. What would you all suggest?

James Buchanan
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Posted: 7/5/2007 Post subject:

The answer is a resounding -- depends. I have gay/lesbian freinds who are married, those who have chosen to be "hand-fasted" (borrowed from pagan nomenclature) and those who are RDP (registered domestic partners - various states call that various things, that's the California version). Some want the term for sentimental reasons, some wanted it for political reasons, some wouldn't be caught deat using it for those self same reasons. That would be a moral/polical/social decision your characters would have to make. _________________ ~James http://James-Buchanan.com My Publishers: http://www.phaze.com http://www.torquerepress.com http://www.mlrpress.com

mskimberli
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Posted: 7/7/2007 Post subject:

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The answer is a resounding -- depends.

I have gay/lesbian freinds who are married, those who have chosen to be "hand-fasted" (borrowed from pagan nomenclature) and those who are RDP (registered domestic partners - various states call that various things, that's the California version). Some want the term for sentimental reasons, some wanted it for political reasons, some wouldn't be caught deat using it for those self same reasons. That would be a moral/polical/social decision your characters would have to make.

We have changed the location to Toronto so we could call it a wedding, since it's legal in Canada. We originally had the story set in New York. We both randomly picked a city/state and New York was it. Neither one of us has ever been, so I don't know why we settle on it. It made the story that much more difficult to write.

Now that we've changed locations, we got to cut out quite a bit of parts that sounded a little wacky. It made the story a lot lighter, easier to write. I grew up in Toronto and she lived there for about 10 years, so it's a city we both know well.

We still haven't found a way to tie in the ending to the rest of the story, yet. But we're working on it.

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